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Old 05-17-2004, 09:53 AM   #16
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It's true what you said though. I liked this forum because it always has been different from the other, though lately (Last half year, if not longer) it is changing... and not changing into a better one.

I never give any reputations because I never dare to say sure, is it a good reason to rise someone's rep. for this and all. But yeah, I guess you're right that the reputation is really being... well, not abused... but wrongly used.

Though everyone knows they have been horribly (alright, perhaps a bit too dramatic :P) bad in most things (until now) so let them look back of what they did so long ago. I am a terrainer, I specialised everything I could in it, I still have a map of myself when I first started. It keeps me from spamming at least ;) (Though this is pretty much off-topic)

Anyway, in every word you're right Armel.
But anyway, if most people start to complain about the reputation, I am starting to wonder, what is it the admins/mods are supose to do about it? If there will be a sort of mod for repuations like Gitlich said, still sooner or later he will be overflooded. If that person(s) has to stop most/all useless reputation then it is way too much. Or that's how I see it. Removing the reputation could be a way but not something everyone would like I guess... (neither myself)

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Old 05-17-2004, 10:19 AM   #17
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This is what annoys me most about the rep system. I got another gray rep with no comment for the post;
I just dont get the imprsion of skinless untill i read it. (especialy on the front of the torso), at forst it looked more like a fine slik shirt to me.

Is it too much to ask why someone gave me that rep?
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At the moment you posted this (I saw an e-mail popping in :P) I was just thinking about that too...
I had an answer but then it would be more useless spam, wouldn't it? I mean that you have a minimum limit of what to type as a reason. I'm afraid that some people will say something like "gshodsghnhogbsfd" or something like that. Unless some mod (then they would be useful :P) to remove it.
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You're not the only one who has been the victim of malicious rep voting. On the Artist's Forge or whatever it is forum, there was a model request thread created by Illusion of Safety. Four people including myself made requests (I've tried to learn how to create them, but the whole subject is way over my head). All four of us each got a negative reputation point from the thread creator (I could tell it was him because the language used in the comment which was a flame was the same as the language used in two of his posts.) even though I didn't see anything in my reply (such as a flame, spam, racist/obscene comment, or link to seedy site) that would warrent a rep loss. I even read the rules on request making written down on the first thread and then immediately made my reply.
-It's a little off topic but if I can find a way to help people in this forum, I'd gladly do it. My talents include icon crafting (can only do CnP and recolorizing at the momment and will need to buy a more recent Paint Shop Pro program to start effective production due to my version's lack of alpha channeling), and some degree of weird/cool triggers (considering creating a weird/cool trigger creation guild and currently working on a non lethal map protecting system that allows a map to be protected AND opened up in the world editor. It works by using triggers to check some parameters of a map against the creator's specifications and if they don't match, the map is programmed to end in defeat for all players.)
Back on topic, I have some ideas on how to reform the rep system to be more resistant to spamming/malicious down voting. If anyone wants to see it, PM me and I'll write it down in this thread. :>
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Here's the idea, inspired by a system used on another forum.
-When you wish to alter someone's reputation, you must mark the reply for moderation. The moderation must have one of the following reasons behind it; flaming, spamming, racist/obscene comments, trolling, or link to seedy sites (such as hacks or other bad things). If the moderator finds one of these things, then the postor loses reputation. If the moderator doesn't find any of those things in the post, then the person who marked the post for moderation loses reputation for abusing the system. Like wise, you can mark a thread for positive moderation for helping someone in which case the reply creator gains reputation.
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That's possible to do, but don't you think that would be too much work for the mods?

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Ive someqwhat suspect the mojority of rep spammers are no (or low) posters. perhaps only letting those wiht 20 or more posts rep. any higher than this and i feel it would just be newb victimisation
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Not a too bad idea actually... but 20 posts? Isn't that somewhat low? There are still enough people who don't really know the rules (no offense intended) at the post of 20. (Heck, I'm near 1000 posts and I've been sticking here for about 2 years and I still don't know all the rules and stuff :P:P:P)

Anyway, (not saying that this is a good idea but still) perhaps they should add that in (20 posts thing) but also that that member has to be a member for longer then... um... some weeks?
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someone (most likely oinker) gave me a bad rep cuz i couldnt do something that was out of my reach, like convert ms3d to mdx, i cant get milkshape cuz my timer ran out :/

if people could read more or be more openhanded then we wouldnt get crappy reputation, also we'd need an auto sign rep point

if theres something you dont like, them plz pm them before rushing them a bad rep :/, if you cant change it or they cant change it then do w/e you want to them
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Are you sure it was Oinker ? Doesn't sound like him...
Actually, if mine was a non-poster, he was at least someone who knew what MDL's are, I think he just was the kind of guy who knows much and despises the ones who know less. But maybe he was just pretending to know. Anyway I really think there's a problem in this reputation system, since some really seem to use them very badly. A mod for reps would be cool, but there should be more than just one, too much work. Maybe to be allowed to post you should have had, say, 10 posts in the last two weeks (or more, or less...), so this shows you've been an active member recently. Maybe also if the ratio between your bad reps and your good reps is too big you wouldn't be able to post bad reps until you have spread some good rep around...mere suggestions...

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im not sayin oink did it, its just that he converted it before it did :/

anyways... i give out more good rep than bad, at a ration of 2:1, i rarely give out bad reps, and i sometimes dont mean to be obnoxious, annoying, or anything else
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(sry for double post but...)

like i said before, i am not accusing someone for something i am not sure they did... and it wasnt oink... but i never did accuse him, also i said to 'read the posts' which, again, someone did not, and...
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now you blindly accuse people!
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(most likely oinker)

That's an accusation if I ever saw one. If you didn't mean to say that, then you need to word your posts more difficulty.
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ya... most LIKELY... i never directly ACCUSED him of it, plus... hes a great forumner, i wouldnt hate him if he gave me 10,000 negative reps

ok lets compile the facts here...
The 'Reputation' rep flamer is an idiot... read my sig... but he's half right bout the 'whiging' lol... enough stupid flamers give me bad rep for bad reasons anyways

The PoW's Signer was even dumber... "Really mature..."
Let see, Im 13, goin thru a period called 'peuberty'... something he doesnt know about... and you expect me (read: EVERYONE) to be 'mature'? Face reality buddy... its not how bad you want it, its what your willing to do to get it.
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I gave you that negative reputation in the PoW thread. As I recall you posted the following:
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ermm... lets just kill half the pows, and keep the other half, therefore sansui gets half his share of death, and gitlich gets his share of ugh.... people....
I felt that was highly immature and plain foolish. I'm going through puberty, and I don't spout tripe like that. If you can't control your posting, accept the consequences, don't complain about it. No-one wants to know.
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