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Old 10-21-2007, 11:31 AM   #16
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... or GUI, which is harder
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Some are GUI... which is just JASS.
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but is much harder because of it's limitations
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Old 10-21-2007, 03:47 PM   #19
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GUI is easier, unless you know JASS well.

Back to the dialog system.
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... or GUI, which is harder

Difficulty doesn't always equate to be limitations. Difficulty (in my opinion) is how you find it hard to manipulate the resources into what you need it to be. GUI is easier for quite a lot of people because they find they don't need to learn shit loads of code. JASS is easier for lots of people, too, but it requires coding knowledge.

GUI can call for JASS things, anyway. So it really... doesn't particularly matter for those who know how to do it wisely. Vex's optimizer should be able to solve any dilemmas that GUI cause *speed/efficiency wise, hard-coding you're on your own.*

JASS is straight off better and quicker if you're good at it.
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Old 10-26-2007, 02:14 PM   #21
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Nope, it wouldn't.

Problem right now is that GUI is very helpful at making you do things the wrong way. I could improve the optimizer to do a hundred of inlines but the GUI thing would still have a lot of inherent bad design (GUI is not modular for god's sake...) You can use it and make a lot of good stuff, I guess, but it still sounds painful to code in an environment that doesn't allow code reuse.
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This system is fun considering I once made a function called InputMsg("What do you want?","apple;orange;juice") returns a number from 0 to 2 . That function sucked because of the string usage, there simply wasn't another good way to pass a flexible amount of arguments (unless we used an over heavy gamecache table) so I am seeing vJass being helpful in something that just doesn't make any sense other wise.

I must finish the scripts section one of these days...

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As far as I know, every single spell in Pyrogasm's thread is based on plain JASS...

I made a lot of plain Jass spells and I would say that without at least a globals preprocessor it is really a waste of time to do them. You would have to either have multiple gamecache calls and unsafe typecasts (which is bad) or to actually use the variable editor to make a lot of arrays (which is tiresome). Not saying "use vJass" but there should be at least a globals preprocessor so that people could keep their sanity...
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Old 10-27-2007, 07:36 AM   #22
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Not saying "use vJass" but there should be at least a globals preprocessor so that people could keep their sanity...
Write one that runs cross-platform and I will use it more than you can possibly imagine.
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Your spells are mostly ignored because they are not very cool so we aren't very excited to review/approve them, but you are incredibly persistent and won't give us an excuse to graveyard it. That is generally what results in a resource being ignored for a long time.

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Huh. Almost makes me wish I had a girlfriend, to take advantage of today (wait, no, that's not what I meant... I mean, take advantage of the fact that it is international women's day... gah, never mind).
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Old 10-27-2007, 10:07 AM   #23
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You can get an old pc for 200$ ...
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I'm PRETTY sure Pyro has a duo-core... why isn't he using it?!
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Old 10-28-2007, 11:43 AM   #25
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No. I don't. My computer is from 2005.

Edit: I have a working Virtual Machine, but the video card/drivers are fucked up so the Editor won't open. Else I'd use the NewGen pack.
Edit again: Oh, and then there's that problem with it not recognizing the CD no matter what method I try.

Seems like someone up there doesn't want me to do it without buying a new computer.
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Your spells are mostly ignored because they are not very cool so we aren't very excited to review/approve them, but you are incredibly persistent and won't give us an excuse to graveyard it. That is generally what results in a resource being ignored for a long time.

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Huh. Almost makes me wish I had a girlfriend, to take advantage of today (wait, no, that's not what I meant... I mean, take advantage of the fact that it is international women's day... gah, never mind).
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No. I don't. My computer is from 2005.

Edit: I have a working Virtual Machine, but the video card/drivers are fucked up so the Editor won't open. Else I'd use the NewGen pack.
Edit again: Oh, and then there's that problem with it not recognizing the CD no matter what method I try.

Seems like someone up there doesn't want me to do it without buying a new computer.
You can't run newgen but I am sure that you can run jasshelper on your virtual machine. Do it.

It is not like you mac users will ever be able to use preprocessors from World Editor, I am yet to meet an actual Mac hacker ...
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You can't run newgen but I am sure that you can run jasshelper on your virtual machine. Do it.

Yeah I already told them that, but that botanic dude convinced them opposite,
I think the biggest problem for Mac users is that they don't have anyone on their side who has enough skill to actually make jasshelper work for them.
Half of Mac users don't even know how to use command line.

All it takes is one tutorial to show them how to do it,
but there is noone to make the first step.
There is a general lack of initiative in that field.

If I had access to Mac I would do it,
but I don't even know anyone who has Mac...

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It is not like you mac users will ever be able to use preprocessors from World Editor, I am yet to meet an actual Mac hacker ...

Mac hacker == oxymoron

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Not to leave you Mac people on the dry,
I suggest you make a thread Jasshelper for Mac in developer section.
Then you Mac people try to run jasshelper on your machines,
and when you get a problem post it (with pictures included)
so we who don't have Mac can help you.

If Vex can run jasshelper on linux so can you on Mac.
We will help as much as we can,
but it is you who have to actually do something to make it work.
So don't be lazy, start that thread and stop listening to the people who tell you it cannot be done.

I guarantee you in less than 3 days we will have our first jasshelper Mac user.

Personally I would really like to see Pyrogasm+jasshelper combination.
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Somebody has hacked the OS X World Editor because there's an UMSWE for Macs.

Yeah, yeah; I'll see if I can get something working on the command line in the near future.
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Your spells are mostly ignored because they are not very cool so we aren't very excited to review/approve them, but you are incredibly persistent and won't give us an excuse to graveyard it. That is generally what results in a resource being ignored for a long time.

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Huh. Almost makes me wish I had a girlfriend, to take advantage of today (wait, no, that's not what I meant... I mean, take advantage of the fact that it is international women's day... gah, never mind).
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Not to be skeptical... but UMSWE is nothing like WEU. UMSWE is simply an attachment if you actually tried looking at it...
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Yeah, UMSWE doesn't involve hacks, just some modified files from the mpqs.

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